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Sun, Aug. 28th, 2005, 12:23 am
genie_lorene: Hey there!

I joined to discuss what ghosts/demons/spirits/entities may or may not be. I have theories, haven't completely committed myself to any of them yet. I feel like there is just something we corporeally-bound beings just haven't quite figured out yet when it comes to what's going on in the Super Reality around us. I'm looking for answers that make sense to me. I discuss this a bit with others at the community whenyoudie, but we're just barely scratching the surface over there, I think.</span>

Mon, Aug. 29th, 2005 12:44 pm (UTC)
genie_lorene

So sorry, I didn't mean to post that anonymously. That was me.

Fri, Sep. 16th, 2005 06:50 am (UTC)
anthonyjaycee

I went to your user info page and looked at the communities listed on there... hope you don't mind. :) I figured, hey, if you talk about things that are really interesting to me in one community, chances are you're probably talking about other things that are really interesting to me in other places too, right? That, and I was kind of hoping to find a bunch of other people who were asking similar questions.

Anyway, I think I can help answer two fundamental questions you're more or less asking here: #1, what happens when you die?, and #2, what's the deal with various spiritual entities out there (what are they, how do they effect us, and so forth)?

To answer this question from a "scientific proof" perspective, the best approach I've found is to delve into the realm of out-of-body experiences. Now, as a personal note, I must say that I haven't gotten OBE's to happen myself just yet (or, perhaps, more accurately I could say that I don't actually remember having had any). But I do accept OBE reports from all sorts of different, independent sources as valid and reasonable evidence of "what's really going on" in the spirit realm and such. By that I mean that they're all remarkably consistent and the logic of their explanations makes a great deal of sense to me.

Unfortunately, I have to recommend YET ANOTHER book to you, to answer this question for you:

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/006251671X/qid=1126852590/sr=2-1/ref=pd_bbs_b_2_1/103-3128595-5036647?v=glance&s=books

There are quite a few OBE books out there, but I think this one is the best I've found to explain all sorts of things about OBEs, relate them to histories of existing religions, and answer "the deep questions" that you're asking here. Technically, I could give you my answers and/or understandings of all these things in detail as well, but directing you to this book seems more generally efficient.

It's also good to have a perspective of the universe as a continuum of various vibration levels when you're trying to materialize objects. ;)

Oh, and I've connected various spiritual things into a bunch of blogs I've written on my own LiveJournal page... most of my longer posts end up tying whatever subject I start with into some deeper spiritual perspective on the matter eventually, so of course you're welcome to read any of those that may be of interest to you as well.

Fri, Sep. 16th, 2005 03:25 pm (UTC)
genie_lorene

I have been working on the whole OBE thing for years. It hasn't happened for me yet either. I've read up quite a bit on it, but added your book to my wish list.

Yeah, I almost friended you last night and then I think I got distracted. I think we both are members of The Gift? Is that right, I was checking your info page too. I do that. But I haven't seen any recent posts from that blog in a while. I'll friend you shortly so I can catch up on your vibe, man.

Sat, Sep. 17th, 2005 05:21 am (UTC)
anthonyjaycee

Cool, now you get to hear about how depressed I am about trying to work out my career/job situation currently, and you get to hear me keep mentioning that I'm reading Angels and Demons, though without even talking about the content of it because I don't want to spoil it. Not to mention my continuing to mention girl related stuff, which I seem to mention a lot, even when there really isn't all that much to mention on any given week sometimes. :P I'm starting to think that the long, boring spirituality-related posts were better-- at least with those I'm talking about something I'm excited about. :)

I just signed up for that The Gift group in the past couple few or so... I'm still new on LiveJournal, so there's still a general ongoing process of finding new groups and/or new people of interest.

Sat, Sep. 17th, 2005 05:24 am (UTC)
anthonyjaycee

Err... I meant, "in the past few days or so..." I didn't think too much reading over the course of the day would really impair my writing ability and my typing ability that much, but it appears to have done that. :P

Thu, Aug. 24th, 2006 09:04 am (UTC)
sexwithademon

it's 21 grams, not 2.5

Thu, Aug. 24th, 2006 03:29 pm (UTC)
genie_lorene

Are you referring to the MacDougall study? I was referring to a different study, one that was done more recently and, unfortunately, I don't remember which of my books I took that from. Now you'll have me looking for it everywhere. I first heard it on Coast to Coast am radio, then bought the book.

Thu, Aug. 24th, 2006 03:55 pm (UTC)
genie_lorene

I'm Googling everywhere and found one study closer to mine, but still not the study I was quoting. And I am hesitant to call anything L. Ron Hubbard was involved with a "study."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thetans
"From some experiments conducted about fifteen or twenty years ago--a thetan weighed about 1.5 ounces! Who made these experiments? Well, a doctor made these experiments. He weighed people before and after death, retaining any mass. He weighed the person, bed and all, and he found that the weight dropped at the moment of death about 1.5 ounces and some of them 2 ounces. (Those were heavy thetans.)" [6]

I'll keep looking though. I think it's good for a person to be able to quote a source--and I failed to do that when I made my claim.