Mon, Aug. 29th, 2005 11:57 am (UTC)
Well, I have my own theory about the spirit/ghost/afterlife thing. I have been a close observer of death on many different occasions. I have often wondered, in the presence of the laws of physics, the whole matter and energy can neither be created nor destroyed thing, and the concept that our entire being is one big electrical charge, where does it go when we die? If the body dies and there is no longer an electrical circuitry there, and it isn't destroyed, where did it go? It had to change forms...why couldn't it become the ethereal spirit that we "see" manifesting itself in the ghosty world? Why could it not be the poltergiest? Why could it not be the "white noise" or the EVP that we see discussed all the time? Just because the flashlight bulb burns out, the battery still has charge, right? Who is to say that when we die, the filament in the bulb breaks, but the battery leaks out and the energy changes form to become something that we just don't quite understand yet? It seems to me that there have been way way way too many folks that have had experiences that didn't have anything to do with making money...or that have not even been reported for that matter, for the ghostly apparitions and voices and guardian angel things to be a figment of our imaginations. I don't know, maybe its my Irish heritage that makes me accepting of such things. But I don't think so...my parents and grandparents have always thought I was nuts...lol
Just one mans opinion...here's your grain of salt...
Mon, Aug. 29th, 2005 12:43 pm (UTC)
I simply can't fathom life ending for us just because our bodies die. And I'm not Irish.
Did you know that when a human dies he/she loses 2.5 grams of weight and no one can explain that. They got volunteers who were dying, had them on a special bed that monitered their weight before, during, and after death. And at the point of death, 2.5 grams of weight goes poof.
Now, how do ghosts talk? And why do they sound so much like they did when they were alive? And how do ghosts have form? The easiest form for electricity/energy would be an orb of light, right? But we see human shapes wandering through these haunted places, and they are usually dressed. How? Why?
What if, even when we die, we are still beings of mind/body/spirit. And when we die the lightest particles of our phyical being go with us, contained inside our soul, to allow us some form and shape should we choose to use it. Even light particles have weight, why not ghosts?
Mon, Aug. 29th, 2005 12:44 pm (UTC)
So sorry, I didn't mean to post that anonymously. That was me.
Fri, Sep. 16th, 2005 06:50 am (UTC)
I went to your user info page and looked at the communities listed on there... hope you don't mind. :) I figured, hey, if you talk about things that are really interesting to me in one community, chances are you're probably talking about other things that are really interesting to me in other places too, right? That, and I was kind of hoping to find a bunch of other people who were asking similar questions.
Anyway, I think I can help answer two fundamental questions you're more or less asking here: #1
, what happens when you die?, and #2
, what's the deal with various spiritual entities out there (what are they, how do they effect us, and so forth)?
To answer this question from a "scientific proof" perspective, the best approach I've found is to delve into the realm of out-of-body experiences. Now, as a personal note, I must say that I haven't gotten OBE's to happen myself just yet (or, perhaps, more accurately I could say that I don't actually remember having had any). But I do accept OBE reports from all sorts of different, independent sources as valid and reasonable evidence of "what's really going on" in the spirit realm and such. By that I mean that they're all remarkably consistent and the logic of their explanations makes a great deal of sense to me.
Unfortunately, I have to recommend YET ANOTHER book to you, to answer this question for you:http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/006251671X/qid=1126852590/sr=2-1/ref=pd_bbs_b_2_1/103-3128595-5036647?v=glance&s=books
There are quite a few OBE books out there, but I think this one is the best I've found to explain all sorts of things about OBEs, relate them to histories of existing religions, and answer "the deep questions" that you're asking here. Technically, I could give you my answers and/or understandings of all these things in detail as well, but directing you to this book seems more generally efficient.
It's also good to have a perspective of the universe as a continuum of various vibration levels when you're trying to materialize objects. ;)
Oh, and I've connected various spiritual things into a bunch of blogs I've written on my own LiveJournal page... most of my longer posts end up tying whatever subject I start with into some deeper spiritual perspective on the matter eventually, so of course you're welcome to read any of those that may be of interest to you as well.
Fri, Sep. 16th, 2005 03:25 pm (UTC)
I have been working on the whole OBE thing for years. It hasn't happened for me yet either. I've read up quite a bit on it, but added your book to my wish list.
Yeah, I almost friended you last night and then I think I got distracted. I think we both are members of The Gift? Is that right, I was checking your info page too. I do that. But I haven't seen any recent posts from that blog in a while. I'll friend you shortly so I can catch up on your vibe, man.
Sat, Sep. 17th, 2005 05:21 am (UTC)
Cool, now you get to hear about how depressed I am about trying to work out my career/job situation currently, and you get to hear me keep mentioning that I'm reading Angels and Demons, though without even talking about the content of it because I don't want to spoil it. Not to mention my continuing to mention girl related stuff, which I seem to mention a lot, even when there really isn't all that much to mention on any given week sometimes. :P I'm starting to think that the long, boring spirituality-related posts were better-- at least with those I'm talking about something I'm excited about. :)
I just signed up for that The Gift group in the past couple few or so... I'm still new on LiveJournal, so there's still a general ongoing process of finding new groups and/or new people of interest.
Sat, Sep. 17th, 2005 05:24 am (UTC)
Err... I meant, "in the past few days or so..." I didn't think too much reading over the course of the day would really impair my writing ability and my typing ability that much, but it appears to have done that. :P
Thu, Aug. 24th, 2006 09:04 am (UTC)
it's 21 grams, not 2.5
Thu, Aug. 24th, 2006 03:29 pm (UTC)
Are you referring to the MacDougall study? I was referring to a different study, one that was done more recently and, unfortunately, I don't remember which of my books I took that from. Now you'll have me looking for it everywhere. I first heard it on Coast to Coast am radio, then bought the book.
Thu, Aug. 24th, 2006 03:55 pm (UTC)
I'm Googling everywhere and found one study closer to mine, but still not the study I was quoting. And I am hesitant to call anything L. Ron Hubbard was involved with a "study."http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thetans"From some experiments conducted about fifteen or twenty years ago--a thetan weighed about 1.5 ounces! Who made these experiments? Well, a doctor made these experiments. He weighed people before and after death, retaining any mass. He weighed the person, bed and all, and he found that the weight dropped at the moment of death about 1.5 ounces and some of them 2 ounces. (Those were heavy thetans.)" 
I'll keep looking though. I think it's good for a person to be able to quote a source--and I failed to do that when I made my claim.